I just dont understand why its always hl2rp or trp? We had success with shit like Halo and it was new and fresh beacuse it wasnt re-done the same thing over and over and over by the same brain dead fucking retards who think hl2rp is tnb's bread and butter and are too afraid beacuse of stupid shit like "Racism" to try out of the box settings.ok maybe nat attack is onto something maybe we can do TRP for the 500th time like bro bring back stalker rp or stfu and settle on darkrp
Seems as if this whole name change debacle has the community at something of a Crossroads...
People have bitched and moaned for stalker and zombie rp time and time again, And why is it we never visit them?
lmao youre edgy(Who the fuck cares if someone is racist in character?)
I honestly cannot comment on our reputation with other communities because I don't visit them, I'm here browsing the forums and playing the server, that's how I know if the community is doing good or bad. I fully agree that we have a long history of toxicity from teenage angst trying to get one over everyone else to what seems to be our latest debacle of actual Nazis trying to plot to bring the server down but was stopped like every Nazi plan really. We manage to stop this because we still have reasonable people at the helm who catch these problems that none of have a clue about half the time because of communication. All we can do is try to continue to improve, try teach those who break the rules and kick them out if they don't improve. Alt-account cold war...In 2007, Taco N Banana was founded, and since then we have explored many settings together—from Half-Life, Terminator, and Stalker to Halo, our own renditions of zombie apocalypse settings, and various RRs. For seventeen years, we’ve stood as a household name in Garry’s Mod. Many servers that have come and gone have used our content for their projects, from maps to models. Our fingerprints are everywhere on this hobby.
But something else has accompanied that name, bringing down the best of our ideas and worlds, and distancing many people from here. The very toxicity, tolerance for intolerance, and persistent neurotic behavior that have dragged our community through the mud has also defiled its name—for new players and old. Cycles of neuroticism persist despite all efforts to permanently expunge them. As a consequence, almost two decades of woes and grief stain our name in the wider Garry’s Mod sphere, crippling our new player retention and our ability to find more developers.
The truth is, there are few places on Garry’s Mod to do what we do here anymore. Players are splintered and divided across these spaces because of the cycles that we have failed to break. Many have sworn off Garry’s Mod forever over their sour experiences with this community, and the onus of responsibility falls upon the leaders to rectify that.
If there is to be a future for this place, it must be one where everyone can feel welcome, and the cycles of the past are truly left behind us. If there are ever to be new memories to be made, the way we do things has to change—for good, this time.
In light of the above, we have set forth on the long, long road to begin reshaping this place from top to bottom. The culture of this place has to change, and there are many big and little things that will need to be done to achieve that shift—from how our administration is picked and organized to how we approach server projects and how moderation is applied within the public spaces we provide.
This will include an entire facelift and reorganization of the community spaces on the forums and Discord, and most pertinently, a name change. We want to make sure that the changes we are making stick, and that we leave the past behind us. This was not a decision made lightly, especially given how sentimental many of us are about the good memories made over the years, but we feel that this is ultimately the best way forward.
To aid in this effort, we have some returning faces who have already been at work reshaping the way forward: @skylion, cindyslug , and @TankNut will be stepping up to the role of Community Leadership. TankNut will also be heading development efforts on our current (more on that in a moment) and future projects.
I'm all for opening up new casual gaming across the community, maybe hosting weekend games for casual play, I think we direly needed as we need more casual communication and nothing does that better than surviving hoards of zombies on Left 4 Dead. But with all this, if their is enough interest and backing we should continue to support serious roleplay.With the sunsetting of this HL2 iteration ahead, we’re going to take a period of time off from serious roleplay while we re-examine our approach to better fit the current times and how expectations have changed over the years. During this period, we’ll likely be exploring alternatives like shorter-term play sessions of various games inside and outside of Garry’s Mod, to bide the time between projects as well as foster a stronger sense of community outside of our own personal bubbles.
One of the ways we’ll be exploring that change in approach is by hosting our own in-house developed server using DarkRP as a framework—one that will prominently feature the community’s past settings like HL2 and TRP as a sort of crossover episode between what we consider to be the best our community has had to offer. We’ll go into more detail on the specifics in another thread to be posted within the next few days, but we’re generally aiming for a more ‘classic’ experience, focused on player freedom rather than stringent rules like NLR/FailRP or overly flashy pre-packaged GmodStore addons. We’re not just hoping to run a standard DarkRP server here, but to make the gamemode our own and craft a unique experience you won’t find elsewhere.
As for TRP, the server continues to be under development by Lambda and his team, and the changes announced today don’t have any impact on our continued support for the project. Moving on past the launch of our DarkRP, we will be working on our future endeavors into serious roleplay and we'd ask that everyone takes the opportunity to decompress. It's simple to acknowledge that there have been many issues plaguing our recent roleplay servers, and we'd like to take a brief respite from hosting them in rapid succession. This is so that we can take our time working on script development, world building, possible roleplay dynamics, all of the good things that go into a successful server.
There still remains much to be done regarding this monumental effort, and we’ll provide more information in the near future as more of the complete picture is ironed out. We hope you understand now why things have been so quiet on our front, and why discretion was needed as we continue to draw this project together.
Here’s to even more memories together.
One thing I've noticed from tnb is it's ability to play something, find out that it can't work in gmod the way they want it to, and then a year or so down the line, ask why they aren't doing it?
We've tried these things, they aren't sustainable as a permanent server. At least not on our current framework. Stalker does extremely well in DayZ, and ZRP does extremely well in project zomboid, those are frameworks built to enable that kind of rp, gmod is very much something that meshes well with the HL2RP or TRP formula. I love those settings, and I'd love to explore them in RRs, but there will be a point where the entire community jumps on the band wagon of 'why did we stop doing this?' only to overhype it and then realize that it's kinda shitty.
Yeah the argument can be made that it's the management, or the community, or the lack of players, but ask yourself why you are interested in these settings in the first place? Stalker to me has a lonely feeling of being a single person against a place of unknown danger and fortune, the game itself focuses on isolating you in your one-man army mission across the zone. So naturally in a server based on the setting, I want to be able to go off and explore the zone, and do things by myself like I would in the game. That doesn't work on gmod, not without a really powerful script or a really dedicated admin team to follow you around and facilitate that. Or you'd have to shed the entire appeal of the niche games and instead just make some weird hl2 reskin but in stalker.
Once again, I'm not saying don't do things with these settings, I'm saying know what you want from them and what they're going to need to work, or what you need to do to make them work. Don't fall into the trap of saying 'I want x' and then trying to make a permanent server off of it as quickly as possible, that's been a trademarked goto by the tnb community for some time now and it hasn't ended pleasantly.
Of course, the problem that comes up with that is that everyone here owns GMod, but not everyone owns Project Zomboid or DayZ (or can even run it on their PC in the first place.)
Bennet was the one that wanted to do it, I just was the one who made the post. I'm sure he can back me up if he so wished since he's around atm.
As for the rest of your concerns, I don't think they are unwarranted. Both Sky and I have been apart of the very culture Gangleider is talking about in the main post and to see us brought back from the mist is an understandable shake-up after having been distant for so long. Frankly, I didn't actually come back with this intention.
But I saw exactly what Gangleider, Sky and TankNut each saw: A community on the edge of a cliff. Forum and server activity was dead low for over two months, and no one to reasonably fill the chasm left by Bennet. And there was no one to step up to that plate from the existing community or admins that knew how to address the bigger picture than just maybe fixing a roleplay server.
This is not true… You, Flood, and I spent several days talking about what could be done if all three of us stepped up to the plate… how we’d address HL2 and how it functions…. Community issues… the team…
Its not an edgy thing, I dont care if someone says the N word in character beacuse they're playing a racist piece of shit. If jamal the 9ft black caricature is running around spamming the hard r every sentence ban them and be done with it my point was Everyone in TnB is a fucking adult or close enough its time to grow up and say "Hey lets try a different thing and if people get offended they can choose not to play or we can moderate it.lmao youre edgy
I just refuse to believe you're an actual real person and not a shitposting alt at this point manIts not an edgy thing, I dont care if someone says the N word in character beacuse they're playing a racist piece of shit. If jamal the 9ft black caricature is running around spamming the hard r every sentence ban them and be done with it my point was Everyone in TnB is a fucking adult or close enough its time to grow up and say "Hey lets try a different thing and if people get offended they can choose not to play or we can moderate it.
Fuck off with the "You're edgy" shit what is this 2018?
Considering we literally had, like, an evil nazi cabal infiltrate the community and influence the decisions of the admin team to turn the server into their personal playground, I don't think "Let me be racist i promise we're mature and anyone who wants to play a racist totally has good reasons for it" is a good argument.Its not an edgy thing, I dont care if someone says the N word in character beacuse they're playing a racist piece of shit. If jamal the 9ft black caricature is running around spamming the hard r every sentence ban them and be done with it my point was Everyone in TnB is a fucking adult or close enough its time to grow up and say "Hey lets try a different thing and if people get offended they can choose not to play or we can moderate it.
Fuck off with the "You're edgy" shit what is this 2018?
If that's the case then I apologize for insinuating blame. Can only go off of memory and it seemed like it wasn't just him at the time.
I guess what I'm inferring here is that you did in fact wish to seek such a role out. I don't get the point in not just being blunt about it. You came back the day bennet left and I immediately assumed you'd try and find a way back in, so why not just be transparent about it? That'd be a better foundation to build on. Ultimately it's something you were offered so I am not even upset with you about the decision, but it begs the question why not place somebody new into a community leadership position that...I don't know...has been dedicating their mind and soul to trying to keep this iteration afloat, pushes the whole narrative that we need to be receptive to players and should base our decisions off of? Flood would've been the person who came to mind for me and I could see the guy blossoming in a role like that. But instead, you waltz in and brazenly state 'there was nobody to step up to the plate'. I just disagree. I'm still optimistic and not completely doubting the capability of you all, I just think it's crazy to brush off the work some people have been putting in at the community even in it's current state.
As for what other community spaces think of us - a name change isn't going to change that and even if we tried to cover up the past, folks are still going to find out some of the weirdos that have crossed this place and they'll either think the whole community a cesspit from it or they won't. I hope the pushback from literally almost every reply in the thread is taken into consideration going forward, otherwise we're just continuing down the same path as before.
If I had a nickel for every time a secret neo-nazi cabal tried worm their way into the admin team to ban people they didn't likeConsidering we literally had, like, an evil nazi cabal infiltrate the community and influence the decisions of the admin team to turn the server into their personal playground, I don't think "Let me be racist i promise we're mature and anyone who wants to play a racist totally has good reasons for it" is a good argument.